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"There's still a lot of anxiety," says Chaplain Humberto Chavez, whose ministry helps thousands of backstretch workers every day. "But in the midst of that, I get to see men and women that love their jobs, and come in every day to take care of these beautiful horses."

In a wide-ranging discussion that covers the whip, horsemen's groups, USADA and more, Terry Finley stops in to Patty Wolfe's Orlando studios to be the first guest on Thoroughbred People, the TDN's new podcast series. Listen to the stream here or subscribe to our podcast app on Apple podcasts.