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Re: Pass the Mustard
by James Robison - 02/24/2013 5:40:43 PM EST

Replying to giles mcgregor:
Oscar Mayer would be impressed.

what, no sauerkraut?

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Pass the Mustard
by giles mcgregor - 02/24/2013 11:30:16 AM EST

Replying to James Robison:
As I continue to look at breedings over the last two and one half centuries I think I'm coming to the conclusion that Frankel could be a conduit through which inbred horses project forward the influence of a great stallion like how Havresac projected St Simon and Paulowitz projected Highflyer and Betty Leedes projected Spanker and Old Marocco Mare as examples or Bromus projected Stockwell through Springfield... I agree the future is speculation but to paraphrase William Faulkner just as the past is not past the future isn't either. We live in the moment and what's it for if not to think about whether Frankel who is unlike almost any other horse.

Oscar Mayer would be impressed.

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Re: Frankle
by James Robison - 02/18/2013 1:15:41 PM EST

Replying to Edward Atkin:
There is no doubt that Frankel will have the best possible opportunity to be a super stallion. However the proof of what he can sire will only be known when he has several crops in training and demonstrating their worth on the track. Speculation on pedigree chances, etc is pure speculation. When his progeny show they can train and stay sound and then win big races we will know he is a true stallion. Until then he is a super race horse and very promising future stallion!

As I continue to look at breedings over the last two and one half centuries I think I'm coming to the conclusion that Frankel could be a conduit through which inbred horses project forward the influence of a great stallion like how Havresac projected St Simon and Paulowitz projected Highflyer and Betty Leedes projected Spanker and Old Marocco Mare as examples or Bromus projected Stockwell through Springfield...

I agree the future is speculation but to paraphrase William Faulkner just as the past is not past the future isn't either. We live in the moment and what's it for if not to think about whether Frankel who is unlike almost any other horse.

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Frankle
by Edward Atkin - 02/17/2013 8:51:54 PM EST

There is no doubt that Frankel will have the best possible opportunity to be a super stallion. However the proof of what he can sire will only be known when he has several crops in training and demonstrating their worth on the track. Speculation on pedigree chances, etc is pure speculation. When his progeny show they can train and stay sound and then win big races we will know he is a true stallion. Until then he is a super race horse and very promising future stallion!

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Breeding
by Kristof M Singh - 02/16/2013 4:08:36 AM EST

Now good people

if we are talking about in breeding

Why not go back to Bayardo-Gainsborough & Hyperion??

Tks

Reagan

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Great Stallions and extreme inbreeding
by James Robison - 02/15/2013 4:11:49 PM EST

Outside of whether he's potent enough Frankel's biggest "challenge" to becoming a great stallion is that he's not inbred enough himself. If only he was 2/x3 to Northern Dancer. I'll explain later but as a tease look up the breeding of Phalaris's dam Bromus and the breeding of Havresac, the broodmare sire of Nearco. Also consider that the Phakaris line seems to produce a "great" stallion every 22 to 25 years and it has been 22 years since the birth of the breeding wonder horse Danzig/Danehill.

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Frankel's Breeding Issue 2
by Barbara Grimaldi - 01/16/2013 10:06:13 AM EST

Binky, I'm sure you've already seen this today, but here is a Bloodhorse article that gives details about the challenges he faces as a sire:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/75584/pedigree-analysis-frankels-choice?&utm_source=DailyNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20130116

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