Replying to binky mcfadden:
Consider Wilburn. Spendthrift.

Good idea I'd do in a heartbeat but there'd be no market for the horse. I'd end up giving the horse away in hope they'd race in Pa. and I could get back what I'd have to put into it. All this in a State where the breeding program is dying if not already dead.

Replying to James Robison:
She's a toughie. Haven't bred her for two years because of dollars and sense issues here in Pennsylvania which mirrors elsewhere. I breed to sell and there's little market. I did bred her to Pure Prize and that filly, which I didn't name Center City Sedona, is in the hands of Steve Klesaris and has yet to break her maiden although she's never been off the board. The Catienus colt she was carrying when I bought her has been retired after starting 18 times, winning twice and garnering 40K+. Next time I see her I'll tell her you say hello although she has a way of saying let's keep the boundaries between the species perfectly clear. The wishful thinker in me in an ideal world would breed her to Bernardini to get Oil Fable twice. Happy New Year!

Consider Wilburn. Spendthrift.

Replying to Jerry Bilinski:
I sure do! A nice filly, hope she is being bred. I did love the white hair on the top of her tail!

She's a toughie. Haven't bred her for two years because of dollars and sense issues here in Pennsylvania which mirrors elsewhere. I breed to sell and there's little market. I did bred her to Pure Prize and that filly, which I didn't name Center City Sedona, is in the hands of Steve Klesaris and has yet to break her maiden although she's never been off the board.

The Catienus colt she was carrying when I bought her has been retired after starting 18 times, winning twice and garnering 40K+.

Next time I see her I'll tell her you say hello although she has a way of saying let's keep the boundaries between the species perfectly clear.

The wishful thinker in me in an ideal world would breed her to Bernardini to get Oil Fable twice. Happy New Year!

Replying to James Robison:

Do you remember Keep Your Day Job(Abaginone out of Sultry Princess)?

I sure do! A nice filly, hope she is being bred. I did love the white hair on the top of her tail!

Replying to James Robison:
I quote: "The argument that lasix is humane or therapeutic is ridiculous". Any industries survival depends on the product "performing". The general public has no illusions about what is "done" to race horses. It's sinking, racing that is, chiefly because it can't keep up with other forms of performance that people wager on. I do agree though that there is something mysteriously fascinating about the horse but then I also feel that way about another member of the same family, the Tapir.

Good luck racing Tapirs, and then on to the rhinos. At least people might wager on camels, and I hope they suit you as well.

Replying to binky mcfadden:
Lasix also reduces capillary pressure in lungs providing a benefit that enhances performance AND reduces bleeding.Your comments regarding better training techniques are valid. Your assessment of the prevalence of bleeding in pre-lasix runners is unsubstantiated, as are many of your other claims (see prior posts).Lasix is a red herring that is being used to distract attention from more serious drug and enforcement issues. You and many others have taken the bait. You focus on an obvious and relatively benign area while serious cancers continue to grow and damage horses and the sport. I suggest focusing your efforts on more serious problems.

I haven't taken any bait, and would like to point out to you that the culture of drug use begins with your "benign" "therapeutic" drugs. What is more, the prior incidences of bleeding were not subject to objective analysis and are all anecdotal, whether a high incicdence or a low incidence is reported. This much is known: the great horses of the past raced early, raced often, and raced largely with nor more than incidental medications. True, the post race testing was less sophisticated. We'll never know what really happened. What we do know is that racing is viewed by fewer people, proportionally, and that many outside the sport are highly critical of drug issues within horse racing. If these statements require justification, or more substantiation, you have your head in a place where facts don't matter. Racing requires change, to be saved -- from itself, the insiders who argue in favor of a drug culture, which is the cancer which you mention.

Replying to James Robison:
I quote: "The argument that lasix is humane or therapeutic is ridiculous". Any industries survival depends on the product "performing". The general public has no illusions about what is "done" to race horses. It's sinking, racing that is, chiefly because it can't keep up with other forms of performance that people wager on. I do agree though that there is something mysteriously fascinating about the horse but then I also feel that way about another member of the same family, the Tapir.

Exactly. I characterized the notion that Lasix was therapeutic as a ridiculous notion. I did not characterize people who work with racehorses as ridiculous, as you said. That said, We're obviously never going to agree, so may as well end the discussion here. You've said many times on this forum that people who don't want to use Lasix shouldn't, but we shouldn't interfere with your business. But since your using Lasix affects all of our business, it's a bit of a nonsensical statement.

Replying to Penny Rato:
James,Nowhere in any of my comments did I call you "ridiculous" and it doesn't really advance the discussion to say that I did. My point was that I think people within the industry, whose economic survival depends upon the horses performing, might not always be the best able to see what a fresh eye sees, or be best to determine what is the best thing for the sport overall. Otherwise, I agree with you. Horses shouldn't be experimented upon, eaten, or forced to perform. But if you're going to do it, I think the general viewer would feel better about the whole thing if they knew they were doing it without having to be injected beforehand.

I quote: "The argument that lasix is humane or therapeutic is ridiculous". Any industries survival depends on the product "performing". The general public has no illusions about what is "done" to race horses. It's sinking, racing that is, chiefly because it can't keep up with other forms of performance that people wager on. I do agree though that there is something mysteriously fascinating about the horse but then I also feel that way about another member of the same family, the Tapir.

Nowhere in any of my comments did I call you "ridiculous" and it doesn't really advance the discussion to say that I did. My point was that I think people within the industry, whose economic survival depends upon the horses performing, might not always be the best able to see what a fresh eye sees, or be best to determine what is the best thing for the sport overall. Otherwise, I agree with you. Horses shouldn't be experimented upon, eaten, or forced to perform. But if you're going to do it, I think the general viewer would feel better about the whole thing if they knew they were doing it without having to be injected beforehand.